Stones to Retire Brown Sugar......

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Re: Stones to Retire Brown Sugar......

Post by passin' through » Fri Oct 15, 2021 11:07 am

jack straw wrote:
Fri Oct 15, 2021 10:52 am

Censorship is never good.
Couldn't agree more.

But this is not what censorship is.

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Re: Stones to Retire Brown Sugar......

Post by rugles » Fri Oct 15, 2021 12:15 pm

jack straw wrote:
Fri Oct 15, 2021 10:52 am

Censorship is never good. Why not remove "blow him straight to hell" from whafrat after all it is condoning murder?
That was from Candyman.

However, it is a quote from a character in the song. That is art. Its not about advocating violence but merely telling a story about violence.
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Re: Stones to Retire Brown Sugar......

Post by Opus40 » Fri Oct 15, 2021 1:13 pm

They chose to retire it. Their decision. Sure, people have voiced their displeasure, but their hand was not forced. Their song, their art, their choice to shelve it.

Another "who cares" in my book.
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Re: Stones to Retire Brown Sugar......

Post by richblueyes » Fri Oct 15, 2021 1:31 pm

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Re: Stones to Retire Brown Sugar......

Post by thinman » Fri Oct 15, 2021 1:51 pm

Hmmm...what would Frank Zappa have to say about this cancel culture stuff?
Man...what I would give to have Zappa around these days.

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Re: Stones to Retire Brown Sugar......

Post by Subwoofer » Fri Oct 15, 2021 2:22 pm

I, too, didn’t know the lyrics to the song. I’m surprised they didn’t pull it a few years ago, “sign-o-the times wise”…because I’m guessing people wouldn’t really miss it…minus a great Woooooo.
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Re: Stones to Retire Brown Sugar......

Post by thinman » Fri Oct 15, 2021 2:38 pm

Opus40 wrote:
Fri Oct 15, 2021 1:13 pm
They chose to retire it. Their decision. Sure, people have voiced their displeasure, but their hand was not forced. Their song, their art, their choice to shelve it.

Another "who cares" in my book.
Mick and Keith kinda made it clear that they didn’t want any problems “with the sisters”. It was a preventive step on their part. They drop songs from their sets all the time and don’t make a fuss about it.

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Re: Stones to Retire Brown Sugar......

Post by JonDupee » Fri Oct 15, 2021 3:27 pm

jack straw wrote:
Fri Oct 15, 2021 9:13 am
Wait till the cancel culture pays attention hears this one
(what a bunch of self righteous assholes some people are)
Quick close the museums and burn the art so all the progressive can smell their our own farts



Got a sweet black angel
Got a pin up girl
Got a sweet black angel
Up upon my wall
Well, she ain't no singer
And she ain't no star
But she sure talk good
And she move so fast
But the gal in danger
Yeah, de gal in chains
But she keep on pushin'
Would ya take her place?
She countin' up de minutes
She countin' up de days
She's a sweet black angel, woh
Not a sweet black slave
Ten little niggers
Sittin' on de wall
Her brothers been a fallin'
Fallin' one by one
For a judge they murdered
And a judge they stole
Now de judge he gonna judge her
For all dat he's worth
Well de gal in danger
De gal in chains
But she keep on pushin'
Would you do the same?
She countin' up de minutes
She countin' up de days
She's a sweet black angel
Not a gun toting teacher
Not a Red lovin' school mom
Ain't someone gonna free her
Free de sweet black slave
Free de sweet black slave
This song was written for and about Angela Davis. It’s never been played live to my knowledge. Apparently it was played ONCE on June 24, 1972 in Fort Worth, Texas.
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Re: Stones to Retire Brown Sugar......

Post by JonDupee » Fri Oct 15, 2021 3:51 pm

They played a great set list in LA last night!

Let's Spend The Night Together
19th Nervous Breakdown
Rocks Off
Get Off Of My Cloud
Tumbling Dice
Ruby Tuesday (vote song)
You Can't Always Get What You Want
Living In A Ghost Town
Start Me Up
Honky Tonk Women
--- Band introductions
Connection (Keith)
Slipping Away (Keith)
Miss You
Midnight Rambler
Paint It Black
Sympathy For The Devil
Jumping Jack Flash
--- Band off stage
Gimme Shelter
Satisfaction

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Re: Stones to Retire Brown Sugar......

Post by MushroomMan » Fri Oct 15, 2021 3:58 pm

times a thousand on wishing Zappa was still here...

Like many GD and other songs, Mexicali isn't particularly about the person singing a song, The girl who's just 14 line could just be a reference to the way things are over there, or were. Just like Bobby Brown isn't about Frank Zappa but written after a few assholes he met and the way he saw things happening in the world. A very real song actually, when you look at it that way.

and for what it's worth Keith has a very different opinion about playing Brown Sugar so not sure that was so much a band decision as giving in to all the bull shit in the world today, but that's just my opinion.

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Re: Stones to Retire Brown Sugar......

Post by JonDupee » Fri Oct 15, 2021 4:17 pm

Keith does not seem happy about the decision. It had been played at every show since 1970. Pretty amazing if you think about it.

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Re: Stones to Retire Brown Sugar......

Post by SunshineSue » Sat Oct 16, 2021 7:46 am

jack straw wrote:
Fri Oct 15, 2021 10:52 am
SunshineSue wrote:
Fri Oct 15, 2021 10:42 am
I think this is a great move. I'm ready for Bob to stop singing about hooking up with 14 year olds in Mexicali Blues, too. Some songs don't stand the test of time, and that's OK. =;
I could not disagree more
Art is either art or it is not
not condoning the behavior
Censorship is never good. Why not remove "blow him straight to hell" from whafrat after all it is condoning murder? or any countless other lyrics
You are either all in or its fascist if you ask me
one mans opinion
A band deciding of its own volition not to perform a certain song live is neither censorship nor fascism. It's artistic license and/or a business decision.
Given the actual growing authoritarianism and right-wing extremism in this country, throwing around the term "fascism" where it doesn't apply only helps that cause. It's important to understand what something is and isn't if you want to work to prevent it.

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Re: Stones to Retire Brown Sugar......

Post by jack straw » Sun Oct 17, 2021 5:30 pm

SunshineSue wrote:
Sat Oct 16, 2021 7:46 am
jack straw wrote:
Fri Oct 15, 2021 10:52 am
SunshineSue wrote:
Fri Oct 15, 2021 10:42 am
I think this is a great move. I'm ready for Bob to stop singing about hooking up with 14 year olds in Mexicali Blues, too. Some songs don't stand the test of time, and that's OK. =;
I could not disagree more
Art is either art or it is not
not condoning the behavior
Censorship is never good. Why not remove "blow him straight to hell" from whafrat after all it is condoning murder? or any countless other lyrics
You are either all in or its fascist if you ask me
one mans opinion
A band deciding of its own volition not to perform a certain song live is neither censorship nor fascism. It's artistic license and/or a business decision.
Given the actual growing authoritarianism and right-wing extremism in this country, throwing around the term "fascism" where it doesn't apply only helps that cause. It's important to understand what something is and isn't if you want to work to prevent it.

I was referring to the post about changing the lyrics in Mexicali Blues not the stones
I fully understand the stones taking a song out of rotation is not that
I was not throwing a term around I believe it was apt for the conversation in regard to changing existing lyrics

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